iPhone, iOS 5 date

Does anyone have a iOS 5 date or is it available to us yet(non-developers).

All they have said is "Fall" - my guess would be the third week in September probably 16th or 19th.

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Nope - Lion (OS X 10.7 is July) - iOS 5 will have 3-4 more betas at 2-3 weeks apart so at least 3 months...

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In July is all I recall. I am running iOS 5 beta 2 as a developer and it's by no means ready for prime time.

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Nope that is Lion that is coming out in July - iOS they only said "Fall" it will ship a couple days before (and on) the 5th Gen iPhone 5 (and likely 5th Gen iPod Touch) which should be around the third Friday in September which in past years was the annual Music Event / iPod Announcement and they pushed this year back so that 5th Gen iPhone will be out for the holiday quarter.

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iPhone update is in the fall, Mac OS update is this month sometime

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Is it still a strong indication that the new iPhone 5 will be out around the same time?

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Thanks